seoFM.com abused for shady and illegal blackhat methods - marcus t.’s true nature
aw, fuck it. don't have the time to deal with that shit.
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so far, threads, which have surfaced in forums regarding this topic, have been deleted by the request of mr. t. himself. he's even arrogant enough to boast about having the owner of the abakus forum remove some threads over the phone. people who participate in these threads are seeing their accounts suspended, banned or even deleted! furthermore, no popular german SEO blog has the balls to even mention this.
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oh, and of course he threatened to fill a c&d against me because of the damage to his reputation.
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besides the iframe to a, i guess, affilinet.de click url (what sets the cookie of the advertiser without having the user actually visit the landing page) at www.strompreisvergleich.biz/yello-strom.html (mirror) and the interesting "stacounter.net", a domain owned by him with a fake hosteurope under construction page, pixels who deliver cookies instead of counting statistics, without proof because he removed them right after this post here, on www.pokersucht.com.
i have not much so i'll wait for better evidence but anyway he doesn't mentioned those facts on his "statement" in his blog and still keeps pretending it was a one-time-misstake only on seofm.com.
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for more infos read the comments at the bottom.
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Apr 7th 2008
gogomarcus.com does he have man boobs?
Apr 7th 2008
Marcus is a donky …..
Apr 7th 2008
hey, you know what? mr. tandler was cookie stuffing his poker blog too …
check that google cache: google cache
check the footer of his blog the 4 “statcounter” images. (the domain statcounter.net belongs to mr. tandler too). those images are just scripts and only intended to place a cookie …
(that code was found on his blog till yesterday evening.)
Apr 7th 2008
For those who know a little bit german, this post shows really THE REAL NATURE of mediadonis:
zorro7000.wordpress.com
… bullying other SEOs in a really lousy way.
Apr 7th 2008
The Auction Ads Code was Just4Fun.. a little Bit Blackhat … Why not!? My English was very bad but i understand what you wrote. Your Posting is Blabla… turn your Brain on!
Apr 7th 2008
No, he owns a large, a very large p….. :)
Cheaper and quicker is an VW google “VW Sex” best wiches :)
Apr 7th 2008
or better “SPD Sex” ;)
my fault!
Apr 7th 2008
Abakus deleting threads regarding seofm´s cookie stuffing…..thats classy.
dumb fucks
Apr 7th 2008
Marcuse’s reaction shows that he (30+) should grow up and not act like 15 year old Eurotrash. It’s just embarrassing. For me it looks like he is an attention seeker and now he got his attention (probably not the way he seeks it).
I still wonder why someone would create a fake(?) character of hismelf? If it’s about buzz why does he put his very personal family pictures on the blog? Why would someone do that?
Apr 7th 2008
guys… the problem isn’t the auctionads code on seofm.com, what itself is fuckin stupid enough to set something like that up on a SEO podcast, the real problem is his fake stats counter site that delivers not only blank images to act like a stat count, no it probably delivers cookies too… so the question here is, how does he really make his money? with illegal cookie stuffing?
…and getting awards, invitations to parties and a ton of money for this, i’am sorry but even i think that would be freakin shady. oh, and why is his blog nominated for SEO awards etc. - for what? i never read anything about SEO or affiliate marketing on his blog. also his podcast is mostly about himself and news from other sites.
oh and this auctionads cookie stuffing thing is there since he had a podcast about auctionads. so if somebody went from the seofm site to auctionads he would earn from the signup AND two people notified him that he has this code on his site and he didn’t changed it.
Apr 7th 2008
I guess Marcus Tandler aka Mediadonis sometimes calls himself Ayden Cross. At least that’s the person who lives at the same address as him and is mentioned in the imprint of some of his domains :)
Oh well there are even more names, but I don’t want to dig in dirt. Showing multiple personalities is
up to each individual. Maybe just a Blackhat thing, but still a lot of people agree that this is kind of immature.
Apr 8th 2008
Hey, i’m not very familiar with this whole cookie technique, but as i can see he do the same shit on
“http://www.strompreisvergleich.biz/yello-strom.html”
with this code:
<p class=\"title_red\">Fakten zu Yello Strom</p><p class=\"title_red\"> </p>
<p>Yello Strom ist 1999 direkt nach der Liberalisierung des Strommarktes an den Start gegangen. Seitdem sind über eine Million Deutsche zu Yello Strom gewechselt, was das Kölner Unternehmen damit zum größten privaten Stromversorger macht. Gerade durch die große Medienpräsenz, und die zahlreichen Sponsorings (wie bspl. beim FC Bayern München) konnte dieser enorme Marktanteil gewonnen werden! Ein unvergleichlicher Triumphzug, so wissen heute schon Grundschüler, dass Strom neuerdings Gelb ist...</p>
<iframe src=\"http://partners.webmasterplan.com/click.asp?ref=238698&site=3212&type=b1&bnb=1\" width=\"1\" height=\"2\">
<p> <br>
</p>
</div>
<div class=\"footer\" id=\"footer\">
<p class=\"footer_text\">
<a href=\"http://www.strompreisvergleich.biz/impressum.html\">Impressum</a></p>
</div>
man beachte das iframe!!! -> click.asp!!!
Apr 8th 2008
You should look for “Ayden Cross”, think all around mediadonis is a very big kindergarten.
Big Seo ? *lol* Little Kiddy !
Apr 8th 2008
“He holds a master of arts degree and a diploma in marketing, and is working on his doctor in computerscience. He currently resides in Munich / Germany.””
MA of what? Devry University? I thought he studied psychology and dropped out?
At least he is working now on a GoGo doctor thesis while running a poker cookie dropping blog. I smell personality disorder.
Apr 8th 2008
There is more evidence in the net. Dig deeper friends….
Apr 8th 2008
Marcus mentioned “Live and let live” on his blog, but then he screws other webmasters and pulls of illegal shit like that:
ein-uwe.de
It’s not about cookies. This guy is just a scam artist, who seeks attention.
Apr 8th 2008
@Marc
There are some skeletons in the closet. Trust me. Just check this shit:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060829130205/http://www.uni-cottbus.de/
Apr 8th 2008
now that fuck gets what he deserves,and that the german seo forum Abakus is censoring and banning members over the case is just classy for those fucks.
well gues what guys?
CENSORSHIP COMES VERY BAD ON THE NET,maybe its time you wimps learn that.
and if not,move to china,you may feel comfortable there
fucktards
Apr 9th 2008
and SEOundso is just a german fanboy of that tandler fuck…and dumb as shit
Apr 9th 2008
more news from the deep of the net:
http://www.spam.co.nz/linkspamming.html
“These websites are link-spamming. Link Spamming is having no real content
on the website at all apart from links to other places. This gives the website
a high rating on alot of search engines andthey normally have google adsence
or alike advertising on them.” …
Apr 9th 2008
cookie dropping as a business model. the seofm iframe is not worthy to talk about. but it shows something about the person behind
doing this (for 5 $). instead of giving a link and thats it.
do anyone of you might think that the networks don’t know about those cookie ‘tactics’? they earn on each lead and sale also. if they don’t know anything they might think about their function as a interest-keeper of the merchants.
one more secret: he is under the top10 affiliates of opodo (travel merchant) while the affiliate manager of opodo (till today) still dont know where his traffic is from ;-) as a merchant i would investigate this case a little closer. in the end everybody gets what he/she deserves.
do no evil ;-)
Apr 10th 2008
I removed the links from my forum because..
a. We have clear rules about the posting of finger pointing threads. Some forums may wish to let their forum become a venue for outtings and general revenge / offtopic bullshit postings but mine isn’t one of them. The forum is for the benefit of staying up to date on SEO not a venue for childish ventings (by anonymous people with cowardardice anonymous email throwaway addresses who clearly was posting due to a grudge btw. What a surprise it was a newly registered member and not someone who has actually contributed anything whatsoever in the past.
b. How exactly does such a posting add value to a SEO forum?
c. I dont know about the laws in USA/UK but in Germany I am responsible for ALL content whether I write a specific post or not. Right or wrong I dont have the time to deal with the legal crap and believe me in Germany they are hot on defamation and other laws wish make it very dodgy indeed to allow threads to go into defamation of character etc.
Comments like “dumb fucks” lomax just really say more about yourself than us.
Alan
Apr 10th 2008
Alan,
you just needed to removed the urls but what you or your mods did was deleting the threads directly and deleting the accounts of people involved in those threads.
After we know now that you and mr. T are buddies, what was obvious to tell in the seofm show, next to his laughs about the “cookie stuffer”, he said he just called you and you removed it and that is all we need to known about you and your forum.
So dont come here with your BS talking about laws, when the only reason why “you” deleted the threads was to help your celeb and quickly duck&cover.
But at least there are other german SEO´s who arent afraid of those “german” laws or marcus and put the story in the right view.
Respekt to them.
And as a sidenote: He is a person of the public eye so its allowed to put his name in the public. His name is there already anyway. Also you can write about what he did, because he caused it, we/you/nobody made that up. It’s HIS fault.
Apr 10th 2008
Actually, he didn’t call me at all. He called one of my employees as I wasn’t in the office but at the SMX conference at the time and it wasn’t even deleted straight away but some hours afterwards. But let’s not spoil a good story for the truth. Even without the links the whole thread degenerates into a flame thing. As for buddies, sure we know each other well. We speak often together and yeah we get on. That doesn’t mean I condone everything he does however. The thread was withdrawn because they clearly broke my rules, not because of a phone call (which I didn’t even get). I agree with you on one point though. I shouldn’t in hindsight have deleted the accounts when a simply warning would have sufficed (I would hope). The anonymous poster has of course opened another account (again of course with an anonymous email address) and I haven’t deleted him/her. At the time I was just pissed off with having to deal with that crap when I was out of the office.
BTW, just because he is a public person doesn’t mean you can throw stones at him/her. Not in my forum anyway.
Regards
Alan
Apr 10th 2008
das demaskieren der domains war ja wohl unter aller kanone. und solange man sich hier nur anonym auskotzt, ohne selber die hosen runter zu lassen und damit selber gefahr läuft, demaskiert zu werden, ist das ja wohl eine äußerst fragwürdige nummer. warum wurden die beiträge bei alan im forum anonym eingestellt? aus angst vor rechtlichen schritten, oder? und dann ablästern, dass alan (aus vorsicht) diese beiträge rausnimmt. packt eure realnamen drunter, dann reden wir weiter. solange hier mit ungleichen mitteln gekämpft wird, solange sollte man dieser geschichte auch keine plattform bieten oder drüber bloggen.
Apr 10th 2008
no anonymous postings? where have you been in the last 20 years? welcome to the internet, get used to it or gtfo.
and as far as i see it in the google cache of that abakus posting what got deleted, there is nothing against the law. guys, calm down, there is no violation of any law on this site or in the abakus forum.
on mr. t’s side the violation of the law is probably just not yet discovered but its definitely already a violation of the TOS of affilinet.de what could lead into a violation of the law if he made enough money from it to piss someone off. same with his domains and the fake names in the whois.
all this is not a violation of his reputation, those are just facts made public caused by himself. so its his responsibility.
also publishing a few (quote: “3% of my domains”) isn’t so evil. finding out about those domains is 5 minutes work and could be done even by a total moron.
Apr 10th 2008
tobias, der spass hat dich normalerweise so an die 136$ oder so bei domaintools gekostet, außer du bist per blackhat methode umsonst drangekommen ;-) erkär mir mal, warum du dich derart engagierst. mir fehlt der glaube, dass das aus altruistischem antrieb heraus erfolgte.
Apr 10th 2008
hallo ihrs,
sehen wir doch mal wie es ist. da ist jetzt mediadonis bei etwas ertappt worden was ihm sehr unangenehm ist. das ist ja auch verständlich, ich wäre da auch nicht so stolz drauf. es zeigt sich halt, dass er auch nur mit wasser kocht. das mit dem posten der domains ist natürlich auch nicht sehr angenehm, denn da sieht man wie er arbeitet.
die sendungen von ihm und freitag finde ich gut und informativ, das ist ein wöchentliches event, ohne frage.
zu abakus
dass postings gelöscht werden finde ich einfach ärmlich. man sollte sich nicht auf rechtliche belange rausreden, die in diesem fall nicht gegeben sind, sondern einfach dazu stehen, dass man halt einem guten kumpel einen gefallen getan hat. ist ja nicht weiter schlimm, wozu hat man denn freunde.
zu Gerald Steffens
was hat eine meinung mit realnamen zu tun. ist sie dadurch besser oder schlechter. schon spassig.
zu seo-blackhat.com
vielen dank für das posting hier und auch dafür, dass du nichts totschweigst.
gruss
Apr 10th 2008
for mr. t.: im living since a pretty long time in chicago and originally i’m from munic, i just studied in passau. oh and btw. we even met in the past.
Apr 10th 2008
@jonathan - wer sagt mir jetzt, ob nicht der betreiber dieses blogs selber oder sein bester kumpel unter dem namen jonathan das gerade gepostet hat? diese beziehung wäre schon interessant zu erfahren, bei alan und seiner beziehung zu marcus war es ja auch anscheinend wichtig. solange hier anonym aufgetreten wird, fehlt jede möglichkeit etwas über die person, ihre glaubwürdigkeit und ihre motive herauszufinden. und jetzt erzähl mir bitte nicht, das wäre alles quatsch und würde niemand anderen interessieren.
Apr 10th 2008
steffen, it cost me nothing. someone sent me the list.
you asking why i’am so commited to this? i aint, its just funny to see the responses and what other people find out. i just repeated what i saw on watshit.com and attached my thoughts about where all his money “could” “probably” “without 100% proof yet” come from - nothing more. then somebody found the iframe on that yellowstrom site and another person found the stacounter.net pixels. the pixel got removed very fast what makes it kinda interesting.
overall i’am just a bit pissed about him telling whitehat is the shit, building unique content sites etc. what is, if you ask me, greyhat at its best in the way many people do it and is also fine and blackhat methods getting crucified as the worst you can do making the people believe every blackhat is a very shady person.
if i look around and see for example guy kawasakis new project “alltop.com”, that is blackhat for me. its just a site generated by hand picked feeds but guy does it so its fine.
same happens now here, marcus does it, so its okay even if its, based on the rules he preached, very wrong and nobody should do it.
lets just say he would rob a bank, i caught him with a few thousands in his hands, a few hours later he tells everybody he just wanted to withdraw some money with his ATM card but by accident he stumbled into the vault, grabbed the stacked up money on the table in it and left the bank unseen. now i’am telling you he probably stole the money, i cant proof it because i wasn’t in the bank but i see him with a ton of money in his hands. just by telling my thoughts i’am the bad person and he’s still the good guy?
as jonathan said, its just telling it. i’am NOT saying he DID it, i was suggesting it could be possible.
so far he didn’t denied it by not answering about stacounter.net and the iframe.
using a fake name in a domain whois, i don’t fuckin care about that. i basically do the same by using a whois protection and even if somebody wants to publish all of my domains, go ahead, i don’t fuckin care and its not that you need much brainpower to find them. okay probably a bit because i use whois protection and my companies are in the states, netherlands, england and mexico. same with the servers and ip’s. so its a bit more complicated but still doable.
so knock yourself out, find them, i would even publish them here and on top of that on each domain you find you get a bit of knowledge from me what i did on it with example code. here on this blog i would talk about everything. methods and other stuff i do and did in the past.
and if you read this blog you can tell that i’am not the person who hides his blackhat secrets or scripts. from many of my script people made thousands of dollars. i just ran into a guy in las vegas at the last ASW who made around 200,000 dollar with the p2p spam idea in a couple of month.
same with my guest post on elis blog (bluehatseo.com) people still make hundereds of dollars a day from that “how to make big money with links” article.
the “how to set up lighttpd” article here gets around 100-200 unique visitors a day and i’am involved in this and many other open source projects as well. what is kinda good because i can use the stuff i do to make them more secure.
of course, i don’t tell you the really dirty secrets. i also thought about publishing a youtube video generator and uploader i coded, which i used to uploaded around a 100,000 videos to youtube what still makes me around 250 dollars a day. its not that i don’t want to share the script, i just don’t want to be responsible for millions of videos on youtube turning that thing into a even more with duplicates and shit filled video site.
so at the end, just keep in mind i didn’t started this. i just posted about watshit.com - who found the iframe on seofm.com.
oh and again, everybody even marcus himself has to admit its a pretty stupid idea to put a hidden iframe on a seo podcast site… ;)
Apr 10th 2008
steffens, i don’t know jonathan and if he doesn’t want to be named here i’am fine with that. he gave a good statement.
i also don’t know who “steffen” is, it’s probably marcus posting under a different name?
if you keep asking you that kind of questions… i just can repeat myself, thats the internet, get used to it or gtfo.
Apr 10th 2008
zu Gerald Steffens
ich werde jetzt mal kümmel spalten. auf mein statement bist du gar nicht eingeganen:
“was hat eine meinung mit realnamen zu tun. ist sie dadurch besser oder schlechter.”
gruss
Apr 10th 2008
unabhängig von der sache, sollte man jetzt mal die kirche im dorf lassen und nicht zum rundumschlag ausholen.
ABAKUS hat in der vergangenheit tatsächlich JEGLICHE Art diffamierender Postings gelöscht, nicht nur die von “buddies”. Selbstverständlich könnte man ganze Foren damit füllen, die Projekte und dunklen Ecken von SEOs zu disclosen. Das NICHT zu tun hat ABAKUS bisher nicht geschadet. Alan war schlau genug zu merken, dass Anscheisser-Posts nur Stress bringen, keinen Mehrwert für User generieren und sich irgendwann auch mal gegen den Verfasser und jeden richten. Die Erkenntnis teilen nicht alle.
Außerdem sollte man mal bedenken WEM cookiespreading eigentlich schadet. Beschissen oder übervorteilt wird doch nicht der Surfer/Podcast-Hörer, das zu glauben ist nicht User-Schutz, sondern Neid-Debatte. Der Einzige den es jucken könnte, den scheint es null zu interessieren. Weils in dem Fall auch einfach Hupe ist.
das ganze so aufzublasen, weil man mal jemand an den Eiern hat (bzw. eher an nem kleinen Sackhaar) ist lächerlich. Die Keksdose ist schließlich ne Riesen-Industry. Scheiss doch die an, die richtig Asche damit verdienen. Und deren Keks-Träger nicht mal wissen was nen Cookie ist.
Apr 10th 2008
pip, its not about who would be interested in, its about that it can lead to fraud and if marcus as a role model does it, it just signalized everyone it’s okay to do it and that is exactly what happens. since he does it nobody even thinks about its wrong everybody just repeats the same “if you cant do it, so why not?” - what happened to the rules of whitehats? first it gets crucified and now a 180° turn.
i would probably even give you a nice script that does all the cookie stuffing for you but i would never say “use it! it makes you a ton of money!” what he never said but it comes with his status that he kinda suggest by just doing it and you would never caught me with it. besides that im not a role model so nobody would give a shit.
Apr 11th 2008
agreed, cus a role model wouldn’t dare to start with outing parts of domain portfolios and pointing at people in the same industry, calling them idiots.
and by the way: it’s not Mr. T teaching people the cookie stuffing but you showing even the last dumbass how to do that. Although even the noobs often work with ebay- and aff-iframes long before getting in touch with the SEO industry.
Apr 11th 2008
Alan, get serious! Here’s the post on your board: abakus-internet-marketing.de/foren/viewtopic/t-55192.html
In this discussion are mostly 99% real Abakus members involved. Some people who posted in this thread have 2000+ postings on your board. So your statements don’t really make sense.
Marcus got called out and all he has to do is pretend to party at SMX with some junior Google folks while hiding his counter shit and threatening SEOblackhat with his lawyer. That’s pretty childish and he should have been the first person to be banned in your forum, which is according to you “not a venue for childish ventings”.
Apr 11th 2008
http://semseo.abakus-internet-marketing.de/agenda.htm
Apr 12th 2008
@jonathan - “was hat eine meinung mit realnamen zu tun. ist sie dadurch besser oder schlechter.”
schlechter!
meinungen haben immer was subjektives, je weniger ich über die person weiss, um so schwieriger ist die differenz zu erkennen. bei fakten wäre das was anderes. dennoch interessieren mich auch immer die motive hinter irgendwelchen aussagen. das mag ja nicht bei jedem so sein.
@blackhat - meinen namen könnteste ja vielleicht schon mal wo gesehen haben, dank email-adresse auch prüfen können, ob das zusammen passt.
Apr 13th 2008
He also uses iframes on his german job-blog.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070809130526rn_1/www.secretsites.de/joblog/
The domains (exempt from tradedoubler) are owned by CJ.com.
Apr 13th 2008
@Standard
Just coincidence according to Mr. Tandler. He hasn’t published a single serious internet project and all his blogs just have a few cookies too much. What a douchebag.
Apr 14th 2008
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/Mediadonis/
marcus is also a very bad poker player.
ROI: -26%
Apr 14th 2008
interessant, interessant.